“I was not working, I had a family, I lost my wife [… but] God has taken me through all these. […] I cannot really leave because God has already taken care of me. And I’m sure He’s going to look for me wherever I go.”

Andrew Kakhobwe

Program Bachelor of Theology ('19)
Age 52
Ministering in Lilongwe
Family Widowed with four children

After obtaining the Advanced Diploma two years ago, Andrew planted a new church, where he desires to devote himself full-time. Although he’s encountered many difficulties in his life, he has seen God faithfully provide for him and his family. He is now pursuing his bachelor's.

$100 a month provides a pastor a scholarship to study at CAPA.

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Interview with Andrew Kakhobwe

2017 2015

Q1

How did you decide to come to CAPA?

Q2

What are some ways you have seen God’s providence in your life?

Q3

Do you have any other prayer requests you would like to share?

Q1

Are you pastoring a church right now?

Q2

And how did you decide to come to CAPA?

Q3

What would you like to do in the future for ministry?

Q4

What are some challenges you have faced in ministry? What do you think you have learned from the challenges that the Lord gives you?

Q5

What are some ways that we can pray for you?

Q1

How did you decide to come to CAPA?

Yeah, I came to know the Lord, it was visiting a friend. It was in 1997, introduced me to the Lord. […] I was feeling I can, I should do preach, I should do God’s work, so I quit the job. Eh, however, my family criticized me to say, “Why are you leaving job while going to this?” Which shows there’s no money; because here in Malawi, pastors are taken to be poor people. So… I was criticized, my family criticized me, my uncles criticized me, why, why I quit the job, and I’ve started to do this. Yeah, so… but because it’s what I wanted.

I still left the job, but fortunately enough I found the, a vacancy to this school, so I applied. Yeah. So they took me, 2015. 2015. I did my diploma class 2015. Yeah. I’ve got the diploma already of this class I’m doing. So… they advertised the bachelor’s, and the master’s, and diploma, so I applied for bachelor’s. So they took me. Yeah. So I’m in that class for my bachelor’s. Yeah, that’s why I’m here. I’m here for bachelor’s because I already have the diploma. Yeah.

So… the only challenge is that in 2015, 2016, there was no class. We were out. We just staying. Yeah, so… I was asked to say, “If we say you go, and you come next year, it means the gap will be big [because it will have been too many years between the diploma and Master of Divinity degrees].” So that’s why I’m [here].

How did you find out about CAPA?

Yes, I found it in the newspaper. It was advertised in the newspaper, so I applied. […] Then I met Pastor [Gideon] Manda, yeah. So he explained, and I was encouraged to come. Yeah. So because of this diploma class, which I did, I’m very much motivated to do another class because I don’t want to go to—to have another school, a different doctrine, I don’t want that. I want to concentrate with this one, and to where I can finish. Yeah.

Q2

What are some ways you have seen God’s providence in your life?

Yeah, there are ways that in—I was doubting the other year. I was doubting whether I will finish because I had quitted my job, I was not working, I had a family, I lost my wife, so I had a lot of problems. So… God has taken me through all these, up to now. And uh… I cannot really leave because God has already taken care of me. And I’m sure He’s going to look for me wherever I go.

Q3

Do you have any other prayer requests you would like to share?

Yeah, my prayer request is that I want to have another good wife… because a pastor must have a wife. As I’ve said, my wife passed away, so I want a good wife, who can understand me, who can… a God-loving woman, and then I can raise my children because I want my children to… to continue with school.

Do you have any other prayer requests?

Yes… my prayer request is that God should guide me so that I finish well the rest. I want to continue with my education. But the other thing is that I want, if I can have financial support so that I can be full-time at church preaching, because we are just started a church. If I can be going somewhere, looking for money, then it won’t be good because the church is young. Yeah, I need to be full-time there. But my challenge is that I also have to look for my family; they need me, they need to go to school, you know? Yeah, so my prayer request that God should help me so that I can be having at least financial help, yeah, so that I can I can only concentrate to God’s Word. Yeah because if you are going be thinking of going out, looking for money, whatever, then I cannot pastor this church. It’s so young; I need to be there full-time. Yeah. Sure.

Q1

Are you pastoring a church right now?

No, not really, because I am coming from a Presbyterian church, yeah. So, it’s, it’s a bit difficult to give you a pulpit. But sometimes I do find myself, time to preach somewhere. Yes, in different churches, if friends happen to invite me, I do go, yeah, and sometimes when we are having a gathering of the church, yes, I do that.

Q2

And how did you decide to come to CAPA?

Yeah, I decided to come to CAPA because I wanted to go deep in the Word, so that whatever I’ll be doing can [be] effective, yeah. And the other reason is that when I got born again, yeah, I happened to do just stay like that—I was not doing anything. But one day something happened!

Yeah, I was going to a certain fellowship, but the time I was going there, it was a night prayer—we were supposed to be there the whole night. I was kept, I was being reminded of a clear passage, when Jesus rose. Yes?

So there were two guys, they were coming from Jerusalem going somewhere. So when they were moving, Jesus accompanied them, and he said, “Do you know the guy you are talking about? What you are discussing, do you know exactly?” So the guys were saying, “You know, are you a stranger here? Don’t you know that Jesus has been crucified and rose again? Don’t you know this story?” Yeah? So, they were moving with Jesus—but they did not realize that it was Him.

So, on this day, something was in my head of this verse. Yeah, I was thinking about it, and I was tormented as I was going to that night prayer. When I reached there, the pastor there preached the same message! As I reached there, he preached the same message! Saying, “You know Christ? You have been born again, but you don’t really know who you are following.” Yes? So, I thought, “I am born again, yes. But I don’t really know Jesus.”

So, from that time, I wanted to go to a Bible school to know more about God. Yeah, so, I’ve been trying for some years, no chance. But this time, I saw an advert in the news about CAPA. So I applied, and I was picked to CAPA. Now I am here.

Q3

What would you like to do in the future for ministry?

Yeah, in the future, what I want is to go deep in this. But I have not made a decision—I want to pray, God to take me somewhere. And I’m willing to do that.Yes, I think I’m ready for that [full-time pastoring].

What makes you have the desire to become a pastor?

Yeah, it’s the… the hunger in me which forces me to be preaching, yeah. That’s why I want to go deep in the word of God, learn how to preach, so that what I will be delivering should be right.

Q4

What are some challenges you have faced in ministry? What do you think you have learned from the challenges that the Lord gives you?

Yeah, the first challenge is that when I came here, when some friends and relatives knew that I am coming here, and they said, “Are you out of ideas? You have nothing to do!”

Yeah, because, at the same time, when my wife died, after some time, I was out of job. So I have been, because my wife died in 2010. So from that time to now, I am not employed.

So when I decided to come here, people thought that now, I am desperate—I do not know what to do. Eh? People are thinking that maybe because I’m out of job, so, I as just want to find something to do. But they didn’t know my background, because what I am talking, what I am saying here happened before this happened.

I’ve learnt a lot, yeah. I’ve learnt a lot, because, so… I’ve been out of job all this time, but I still survive. I still have something at least to feed my family, and send my children to school. At least sometimes I struggle, but still more, I find a way.

God gives me a way, yeah. Though it’s a bit tough than before when I was working, because I would do whatever I want, yeah. But still, I’m going. Yes, He has taken me from afar.

Q5

What are some ways that we can pray for you?

1) Yeah, it’s maybe to… to have maybe, a good job? Yeah. And so that I can… raise my children well, yeah. Because I’m a single parent now, yeah? So they all depend on me. So what I want now is to see my children have good education.

2) [For ministry], to give me wisdom, so that I can pass through. Because education is everything—when you are educated, you can reach all different kinds of people, yeah. You can reach everybody, yeah, so preaching is to everybody—not a particular group of people, no, everybody.